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I am not sure on what to exactly put for details but in a nutshell Dad presented calm, and collective to counselor, as usual. Counselor thinks Dad needs to be more assertive. I do NOT agree.
I brought up the issues with Finances, the anger, the lack of movement (no real pain issues), the behavioral changes, and my perception was disregarded. Counselor has seen Dad a handful of times total.
Counselor informed me it was alright for Dad to yell and scream at me as he was expressing his emotions. At that point I had enough. I was close to walking out of the room. I was BLUNT and stated NO, if he is angry he HAS NO RIGHT to YELL AND SCREAM. (I was so pissed I had all I could do to not show I had temperament issues). I couldn't' win I continually was told I was disregarding my Dads' emotions which is far from the truth.
Whenever Dad was asked a question he downplayed what he was doing if he admitted it and said he was miserable because of me. His cnslr. stated that possibly Dad felt locked in the home (Dad chooses NOT to leave) even when prompted most of the time. He will not join groups, seek friendships, etc.
His anger outbursts were blamed on me and my nagging. The reality on the nagging is Dad will not handle any affairs unless prompted (he get's less than one a day I talked about this in a previous post) . He also ASKS me how to do most of what he needs. This is the "nagging". I purposely avoid conflict and do not ask him to do something unless it is important.important. Honestly the important stuff get's let go at times.
Counselor added I talk to fast and confuse my Dad. I try to go slow not sure on that one. I guess the main issue is how do I get my Dad the help he needs if he is being dishonest? I don't' think I can.
I have noticed a pattern with my Dad throughout his life even prior to the onset of the new symptoms. He blames others for his own issues. He in a way twists the reality of it to make someone else look at fault.
On a good note when I brought up his medication issues, he stated again he was taking them. I brought the bottles. I proved he was not taking them as prescribed. But that alone is not going to make this cnlr see the reality. I am also questioning how good this cnslr is at this point. The Cnslr. stated to me that my Dad feels uncomfortable stating his own needs. This again is not true. During the entire session my Dad was agreeing with the cnslr.'s questions. For example, the cousnlr. would say, you feel as if you don't have a voice and you are not allowed to have feelings? Dad would say yes to them all.
I am almost certain whatever is stemming my Dad's anger needs to be addressed. I do not think that can happen if Dad just agrees with everything the cnlr states and doesn't be at least somewhat realistic. I also thinks the depression needs to be better addressed. The cnsl. at one point stated to me Dad is depressed what do you "expect" him to do? I myself have had depression, and I know all to well you can NOT give into the symptoms in their entirety. You cannot just sit and wallow. It makes it worse. Why were suggestions not made on the depression?
Final note here as I have talked to my Dad on numerous occasions about his depression, getting out, etc. I have spent more hours discussing how he feels and what needs to happen with our family, or him alone. Dad DOES express his needs. Our home is not a dictatorship.
I am thinking this cnslr needs to go. I have been rattled since the appointment. I am not even sure if a cnslr can help my Dad with the information he gives.

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There's an old adage that you cannot change another person, you can only change yourself. Your post seems to show a great deal of frustration which often comes with the responsibility for being a caregiver. Instead of taking your father to counselors where he apparently presents a different persona, you might consider carving our time for yourself to speak with a counselor where you have a safe place to self disclose your frustrations and perhaps learn some techniques to manage your expectations.
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I would definitely try to get another counselor--one that is used to working with the elderly. I agree with you and disagree with the counselor: No it is NEVER OK to yell or scream at another person. That is not expressing your emotions. It's called being abusive, pure and simple. I suspect your dad is good at manipulating others and was playing that counselor. He wants to be liked by others and appear as a 'good person' to others. You do that by agreeing with everything they say and offer up, and never disagree with them or state what you're really like especially if it's something negative. That counselor needs counseling in my opinion.
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Your father is a very toxic person for you to be around. Any chance you could have him placed in an assisted living? I agree it would good for you to go to a counselor yourself. They may have referrals for a geriatric counselor for your dad to go to, or good advice on what you could do. My husband is very frustrating too because he refuses to do things that would help him and does the opposite of what he should do. You go with him to a doctor and he refuses to tell them what's going on and instead paints a rosy happy picture instead. If I blow up and try to set the record straight, I'm the one that looks bad--not him. I finally realize I can't change him. He is an adult and has to live with his own bad choices even if that affects me.
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Some of the responses are exactly why people do NOT reach out with concerns, frustrations, or other issues.
You will read here that others are experiencing similar issues. Caregivers get ABUSED and it is quite often and it is downplayed. I have read several posts from others going through worse which actually enlightens my situation (for me).
I have taken care of my Father from the age of nine. I want to keep him where he is comfortable. I have overseen his medications. I have made suggestions. I have taken hours talking, trying to get him to HELP HIMSELF. He refuses all suggestions made by his treatment team. I have taken him to the water, he will not drink.
He is depressed. He does not help himself and his passive aggressive nature has turned quite abusive. I would expect a trained professional to see through the excuses and offer suggestions on how best to cope not place blame.
I feel my Fathers pain in more ways then one. I cannot fix it for him which is why I am asking for help. Trust me I can have an attitude but with my moral structure I never and would never talk someone down based on an illness. All I am asking for is help.

Vstefans, no, this is the only one since the new issues have arised. (he refused one on one counseling previously) He has a counselor , psychiatrist, and primary care doctor.
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The counselor must not be used to working with older people. My mother does the same thing your dad does. Yesterday was a good example. She was very verbally abusive to me when I wouldn't do something RIGHT NOW! She really chewed into me. Later when I told her she was abusive, she turned it on me. I was to blame. All she did was blah, blah, blah. Totally crazy making, but nothing we can do about it.

It does bother me that a professional counselor is not aware that old people often do this. It is actually a symptom that goes with a dependent personality. From what you wrote, your father may have a dependent personality, which tends to be very passive with most people, but often vicious with one "lucky" person. Depression is also common for people with dependency.

Please don't take the counselor to heart. Your father sounds much like my mother. I have a feeling that many other old people are the same as their dependency increases. They want to save face by saying they COULD do it, so it is someone else's fault. The truth is that other people started doing it because it had become too much to handle. This is very hard for some elders to accept.

If the counselor did not understand this, maybe he should put his diploma back into the Cracker Jack box it came out of. :) Just kidding. Was the counselor young?
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Counselor needs audio or video tapes to realize what is actually happening.
You need a new counselor, ideally, someone who is actually a geriatric specialist.
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Thank you all I see the other comments now. I DID record him. I have hours of recordings. I have played some they need to be edited. That recordings have gotten futile as the professionals do NOT want to hear them. They don't' take the time. I have no NEW recordings.
Honestly I get very scared at times. I am afraid he will create more drama with the fabrications. He has used what I tell him against me. The man that used to have a heart, uses my memory against me, and anything else he may find that bothers me.
He stated to his CNSLR he is stressed. Every solution I have implemented to help his anxiety he refuses to do. Is it the stress that is making me think I am living with a ticking time bomb? He has managed to convince so many "professionals" I am scared about my welfare.
I just cannot see why he does not want to help himself. I cannot grasp why he wants to make our home so stressful.
How would I go about getting a new Or should I recommend stopping counseling all together?
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Aphena, I read through your other posts, has your father had the neuropsych testing you spoke about earlier? Is he still competent to handle his own financial affairs? Or will he give you POA so that you can pay the bill, mortgage, etc?

Has dad been seen by a geriatric psychiatrist? Is that who took him off Abilify? Who suggested this "counselor"? And what is her training? When she asked you, "he has depression, what do you expect him to do?", it seems to me that the answer from you would start with "I expect him to pay his bills without reminders and be able make himself a simple meal".

Aphena, I understand that you have a lot on your plate. I'm going to suggest that you start a new question, something like how can I help my dad?". I think you need to lay out the history of his mental and physical illnesses and what you've tried so far. Try to simplify your writing a bit; it is sometimes difficult for me to follow your train of thought. I think this will get you better advice when folks can see your "big picture"
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Aphena I would like nothing more than to suggest something helpful if I possibly can, but other than that your father has a major depressive disorder and that you have been caring for him since you were nine, I know nothing about the circumstances.

Are you living in your father's home or is he in yours?
The non-dictatorship family (good!) - is that you, your father, partner, any children?
Are you caring for your father full-time?
Is any other family involved?
What treatment is your father getting for his depression? How successful has that been over the years?

I completely understand your frustration, and the stress that goes with that. What concerns me is that you have said a couple of times that you - how do you put it? - can have an attitude, or temperament issues; and you also say that you want to keep your father where he is comfortable; but from the huge emotion that comes across from your writing I don't see that anyone can be comfortable in this situation - not you, and not your father either.

I gather - should I? - that you've been trying to carry your father emotionally for many years. Have you ever considered alternatives for his care? Are there other options? I'm wondering if you ever get the chance to stand still and think how it might feel if you didn't have to do this.
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Aphena, not all counselors are good. Some are outright stupid. My relative is a counselor. When this person was going to college they saw a lot of people who shouldn't even be counselors. They were there because they couldn't cut it being a doctor or an engineer. Seemed like the easy route for them to take.
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