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My dad finally passed away. He was diagnosed with Parkinsons in 1999. It's 2026. My parents blew through $550k in a stupid, "Italian way" attempt to keep him home - at not just a financial expense - but the expense of my relationship with my surviving parent. And my mental health. And almost my marriage. To make it all worse, my relatives (who "didn't want to get involved" yet enabled the situation by coming over daily to my parents' house and never openly said, "Maybe you should listen and move into assisted living while you can" ) didn't stop me, my sister, or my cognitively impaired mother from spending her last 20k in cash on a funeral last week. And it's not that I want the 20k. It was just such pomp and circumstance. My dad wasn't religious! They called my sister and I daily before the services - to make sure we were doing everything "right" - as if a funeral home had never buried an Italian before. When I told one aunt "enough" she still kept calling! Now I've blocked them all! And they were incredibly detailed to me about my dad's last day - his begging, his pleas, his vomit - even though I made it clear my sister and I had said a peaceful goodbye to him 5 days earlier. Such judgment! And then, within 12 hours of him passing, the phone calls started that I needed "To get my mom to the funeral home to make plans." I hate open casket events. So did my dad, and my sister. Sure, it gave my relatives peace - to see my dad resting - but can they refund my mom the $$$ for it? She has no money left. The whole thing - 20+ years, the last his last days, the pre-services 5 days, the services themselves - caused me massive trauma on top of years of trauma. Now I'm mad at them, myself, and "ritual and religion and culture" which is just a mask for trauma and dysfunctional families. I'd always thought of my extended family as supportive. Now I don't ever want to talk to them again. And I'm not sure what my point is to posting this. I guess I'm wondering if I have to talk to them again or forgive them. They were sorta there for us, but also, I'm now seeing - superficially there.

Sorry for your loss. No, you do not have to speak to anyone again. No, you do not have to forgive them either. (I say 'forgiveness' in the traditional sense that most people seem to think it means which includes allowing these people in your life to keep doing the same hurtful things.)

What I think would be helpful to you however is to get clear on what makes YOU feel peaceful about how to move forward. It is about what you do for yourself and the boundaries you instill from this point on.

I agree with what you said about "ritual and religion and culture" which is just a mask for creating trauma with dysfunctional families. There is one word - BOUNDARIES. If you forgive in the sense that it means you acknowledge the hurt they caused, and do not carry anger with you, then great. Yes, go ahead and forgive in that sense.

I have lived similar aspects, so am replying from my point of view only. Protect yourself, your life, and your wellbeing mentally, emotionally and spiritually. You do not have to sacrifice those things for anyone.
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I am so sorry for your loss and what you went through.

May you find peace in the next coming several years.
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You do need to forgive them. You do not need to ever talk to them again or see them again. Those are two different things. You can, for your own mental health, cut them off while forgiving them.
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I know all about the Italian rituals. Hugs.
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Italian born and raised myself. It's all about The Show which is intended to be a 3 ring circus. Too Much of everything, be it food or decor or funerals. My grandmother jumping on top of the casket once it was lowered into the ground. I kid you not. I still have trauma from the antics of the Italian family dynamics. My 70 year old cousin still calls Assisted Living "the home". 🙄 And kept calling my 95 year old mother in Memory Care to tell her she should come to Staten Island and live with HER in a 4 story home. She never meant it, of course, it was just about the theatrics the whole time. The wailing and hand wringing B.S.

Italian histrionics are second to none, in my extended family.

I'm so sorry you had to go through such a thing with dad. Imo, goodbyes should be private with no "show" or fanfare for the masses. I hope you can recover from all of this, and put these people on pause or delete, your choice. Bless you, my friend.
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SamTheManager Mar 27, 2026
Oh my God, same same same!! Too much of everything, be it food or decor or funerals! You're killing me with the jumping onto the casket. Yes, I have seen this as well, more than once, if you can believe that.

My dad was pretty young when he died, and so many people came to the viewing and funeral. He wasn't Italian, mom was, but the 20 year difference was so huge. There just weren't that many people left to see my mom when she died. We couldn't afford a big funeral anyway, but I admit I felt a little guilty about it. It's not rational, so I don't give it much space in my head now. I can see where it would have been a little harder if we had more money to turn down all the stuff involved with the funeral.

I still feel like the whole thing was a huge ripoff and there's always someone that wants to take advantage of the grieving people left at the end. There were just so many things that were adding up to a gigantic bill and my sister and I just sat there, stunned at the costs. We sat down and talked about it and said this doesn't matter, this other thing is irrelevant, we don't have to do this, we don't need to do that. It was freeing and sad. Frankly, I felt like doing some histrionics myself but I kept it together pretty well. It is true, the person the funeral is for will not be attending.
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I’m so sorry. Don’t blame you a bit for despising the whole funeral show, I’ve never understood it myself. I’ve had to force myself to accept that some people get satisfaction or comfort from viewing the dead, personally I can’t fathom it and stopped doing it years ago. My mom’s funeral almost turned into a brawl between two of my siblings who can’t stand each other, that was fun, not. My dad’s funeral had to be severely cut back due to Covid times, just fine with me, but then there have been endless relatives comments that he “didn’t get the funeral he deserved” Newsflash, he didn’t attend! He didn’t care, he was gone! So I fully get it and can sympathize, it’s the last thing you need after enduring years of caregiving with uncooperative elders. Good on you for blocking them. I hope you’ll take a vacation, doesn’t have to be long or expensive, just a change of scenery will help. I wish you much healing and peace
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peanuttyxx Mar 27, 2026
Lol. Newsflash he didn't attend. That's what I kept thinking.
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So sorry for your loss.
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Italian-American here. I totally get what you just experienced. My take is: you don't get to choose your relatives but you do get to choose how much or little you engage with them. You make strong boundaries and you defend them, because the boundaries are for you to defend, not for others to respect (because they won't).

Spend your energies making real, solid friendships. Understand that your relatives will judge you and you can't control this... but who cares what they think about you? Are you that desperate for human interaction?

I'm sorry for your loss and that the relatives made it so unpleasant for you. That generation can be full of superstitions, unhealthy traditions and part-time "religion". Although there's much I cherish about my I-A unbringing, I don't miss any of that or the drama and busybody-ness.

I wish you clarity, courage and wisdom. Mostly I wish you peace in your heart as you figure out (and defend) healthy boundaries.
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peanuttyxx Mar 27, 2026
Thank you. Yes, there have been many good things about it, but the funeral stuff...his last days...the demands - those aren't so great.
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This sounds like too much and like you VERY MUCH need a break from everything. Please give yourself some space. Send out notice that you will be offline and that you and your sister have your mom your aunt’s phone number if she needs anything. And then block your mom and send your relatives calls straight to VM. You can periodically screen these messages without having to talk to anyone.
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I’m sorry about all this.
I wouldn’t be bothered with the relatives. They did not sound supportive. They hung around daily to make sure you didn’t place Dad in a nursing home.
What about Mom? What happens to her now? She’s broke? Who has POA? Don’t use your own money to pay for Mom’s care. Don’t move Mom in with you. Does she have a house to sell to pay for her care in assisted living?
You may want to go to a therapist to deal with this trauma.
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peanuttyxx Mar 27, 2026
OH i'm in deep therapy. Yeah....I kept reminding my mom over the years that she'd need care one today too. She already does! But she deeply believes she's OK. Frankly, she's my sister's problem now. I'll help my sister fill out forms, or make phone calls, but no more of my energy.
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if you gave the home money, you won’t be getting it back. If on the other hand you didn’t, cancel
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